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In the pre-dawn days of Internet Marketing, of screaming modems, countless search engines and directories and equally varied chats, groups, forums and clubs, Cre8asiteforums was launched. At that time, in August 1998, the term for online marketing was “web site promotion” and web designers were called “webmasters”.

Based in the United States, Cre8asiteforums quickly became a global teaching site about search engine optimization, drawing in famous experts and beginners alike. Today, the forums boast specific areas of expertise and leadership in the blending of usability and search engine optimization, plus accessibility, persuasive design and most of all, critical thinking in all areas on the Web.

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Why We Buy or Don’t Buy (It’s Marketing’s Fault)

If your company sells products globally, have you taken into account the values and culture of each country you’re targeting?

As it turns out, Americans are more likely to buy light bulbs if they are energy saving light bulb than one that is safe for the environment. The difference was in the perception of luminescence.

When identifying your audience and segmenting it and targeting it and all that technical marketing are you also identifying their perceptions and values, especially in regard to you, associated brands, products, niche generally, etc.?

Long country road

Perception is everything.

Remember, the truth is that Marketing is all about being the champion of the customer within your business. Knowing your customers needs and values. Understanding their frustrations. Studying why competitor products fail to delight and fixing that flaw.

Old business was arrogant and foolish. It always tried to change the environment to fit its business. Marketing is the smart, efficient scientific realisation that it is far simpler and easier and more effective to adapt your business to the market. Sell what the customers really want, instead of trying to make people want what you sell. Fish where the fish are.

Even Mohammed, great prophet as he was, knew that he must go to the mountain, and not try to make the mountain come to him.

Get in on the discussion – Perceptions Are Critical

SEO Spammers Getting Desperate – Showcase of SEO Creepers

We’ve had it with stupid SEO tricks, especially those intended to rip-off uneducated site owners. For kicks we expose them here at Cre8asiteforums.

The fun began January 25 when I started this thread – Seo Hall Of Shame – Are You Kidding Me? Do Not Be Caught By Messages Like This. At first we hid names and identifiers but lately, not so much. Here’s why:

Pyramidal linking

Pyramid linking – its 2004 all over again, and this was even a dumb, outdated, idea back in 2004. After all, we had surmised a conection between reciprocal linking and the PR0 penalty in 2003.

You know, I’m starting to regard mentions of Panda and Penguin as a sure-fire sign of spammy SEO in that so often the mentioners have completely forgotten (or were not even around for) the infamous Florida update, or the earlier still introduction of the PR0 penalty. They know the latest worry terms, and have not a clue that these are just the latest in a long, long evolution. 2003 saw Florida wipe out thousands of link exchanges and link farms.

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We acquire links from Wikipedia to your website and can also assist in publishing a wikipedia entry about your company or biography. The right wikipedia backlink can single-handedly rank a website for it’s target keyword on google. We have acquired thousands of backlinks from wikipedia for our clients, and created 50 company & biography entries.

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Who Asked You?

I was going through your website and I see website is very nice. However it is not ranking anywhere, for your industry keywords. I see your competitors are ranking very well due to right SEO strategy and you are losing business because of low visibility on Internet.

Bad Move Dude, to Send to a Search Marketing Forums
I love the ones that start with “I thought you might like.” Whatever would give you that idea?

Cre8Asiteforums.com Team,

I thought you might like to know some of the reasons why you are not getting enough Social Media and Organic search engine traffic for Cre8Asiteforums.com
1. Your website Cre8Asiteforums.com is not ranking top in Google organic search for many competitive keyword phrases.
2. Your website profile is not available in most of the Social Media Websites.
3. Your site has 132 Google back links, this can be improved further.
There are many additional improvements that could be made to your website, and if you would like to learn about them, and are curious to know what our working together would involve, then I would be glad to provide you with a detailed analysis in the form of a WEBSITE AUDIT REPORT for FREE.
Our clients consistently tell us that their customers find them because they are at the top of the Google search rankings. Being at the top left of Google (#1- #3 organic positions) is the best thing you can do for your company’s website traffic and online reputation.
I found your site in the Google search and after having a look over your website I think you should go for an SEO campaign to boost your marketing strategy.

Do Not Be Caught By Messages Like This

These are a just a few examples of very bad companies who are so desperate for business that they go out in search of people with sites that are not only doing fine but are owned by SEO’s. We don’t support these practices.

Creepy SEO

Do Not Fall For SEO Rip-Offs

Creative Thinking: Why Search Engine Marketing Bombs

We celebrate Ian Lurie’s WTF is SEO? because he wrote about what has always set Cre8asiteforums apart from all other SEO forums.

wagon wheelWhen Lurie stood outside the SEO wagons that circle each client, it dawned on him that whatever happens inside that circle for the client is not enough to finish the job.

Lurie wrote:

After 17+ years of beating my head against walls like IT departments, branding teams and disbelieving CFOs, I’ve figured out why: SEO isn’t an activity, or a tactic, or a strategy. Good SEO is the outcome of a disciplined, coherent marketing & technology strategy.

He goes on to explain why SEO is not a tactic, nor is it a strategy.

Strategy is an approach that includes all roles in an organization. All of the components of SEO should be part of an organization’s growth strategy.

And of course, we all know SEO is its own bubble, both in-house and as sold to clients. The entire point of Search Engine Marketing has been and still is “Get pages into search engines. Get pages and sites ranked high. Get searchers to click into pages.” That’s all they have to do. This is all they are taught to do.

Look at the Agendas of search engine marketing conferences. What’s taught is a limited approach to marketing for clients and the rest is how to keep up with Google’s latest antics.

picture of headiamlost jumped on this article. His discussion, A Portent Epiphany! brought Black Knight out for a welcome visit.

Wrote Ammon Johns,

“Yeah, that was my first thought: “Where was Ian when we were combining UI, SEO, conversions, design, and customer service every single day in the Cre8asite forums from 2003 onwards? In London, at SES this year, I was on the panel “Integrated Marketing: What does it mean?”, and this is precisely the issues we were discussing. But you know what? It is not one tiny iota different to what we called the Holistic Marketing approach way back when on Cre8asite. SEO hasn’t changed, and it doesn’t need a new title. What has changed is that it now needs to be integrated with so many other things and all tie into broader marketing. And the only thing that is new there, to you and I, is the word ‘needs’. It was always the smart approach, and the one we advocated, way back.”

What I’ve been saying, teaching, writing and doing all these years is a holistic approach to anything we put on the Web, whether it’s a web site or software application used on the Web. The people who are the most difficult to convince the need and logic for a 360 degree approach are the SEO’s. The search engine marketing industry doesn’t teach anything but strategy. By tradition the industry has refused to see the value of adding the human part to marketing.

Discussion: A Portent Epiphany!


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Creative Thinking: Separate the Content from the Semantics

Creative Tomorrow is one of the favorite forums at Cre8asiteforums for those who like to dive deep into the Internet universe. Led my “iamlost”, it’s anything but lost.

picture of headFor those who love to ponder mysteries and question everything, here are some recent topics to read and join in.

Separate Content From Structure And Serve On Context

We’ve pretty much separated structure, presentation, and behaviour so how about taking the next logical step and separate content from structure? This will be an increasingly important consideration as devices multiply, their context of use varies, and personalisation becomes de facto.

Over 50: That Is Where The Money Is

There are many opportunities in many different demographics, psychographics and probably other graphics too. The one that will be most valuable, is the one that you are positioned to take advantage of.

The Stumbling March Of The Advertorial

Online media sites are increasingly going the way of the advertorial, often going for the trifecta of traffic, branding, and SE link value. That last is the tricky one as it is against most SE ToS and may have been a reason for the recent – very short lived – InterFlora Google results penalty. When I say tricky I don’t mean that one may be penalized, rather that unless one is a significant enterprise don’t expect such kind treatment and short recovery time.

Forbes offers BrandVoice and now the Washington Post is launching BrandConnect. They are far from the only ones. Some media companies hire different staff for journalism and advertorial content, some do not. With that ‘not’ the last wall of separation between news, editorial, and advertising is crumbling fast. Note: the current euphemistic jargon for advertorial is ‘native advertising’.

The birthing woes when things are not done well are not just possible SE penalties as the Atlantic found back in January when it published a paean of an advertorial from the Church of Scientology. That the backlash on that one was lead in part by Gawker who are also big into advertorials is rather amusing. I guess the Atlantic didn’t even meet Gawker’s standards!

A World Without Wikipedia? Wikipedia Pleads For Funds

Wikipedia has sounded the alarm. The non-profit web site is hoping to raise funds to support itself and keep going.

Imagine if Wikipedia slipped away? Would that create an immediate boast in ranking for some web sites? Back when I went to school, we sat in the library to get information or just ignored homework entirely, (because back then it was okay to leave kids behind). Anyway, today’s kids and 20-somethings got computers and Wikipedia (and WordPress so they don’t have to learn cursive writing anymore…but I digress.)

Wikipedia Call For Funds

Pro – Let it Go

Should Wikipedia actually wither and disappear:
a lot of grade school and some college/university assignments would require somewhat more effort…
and one to three ‘organic’ results would open up at the top of many Google query results…

Con – Keep it On

In my opinion, Wikipedia is getting better and better with age. Lots of the articles that I have viewed are quite good.
In the past professors did not like Wikipedia and most of them still don’t like Wikipedia. Someday they should be changing their minds because Wikipedia content is continuously improving. A lot of the Wikipedia articles that I visit have the most appropriate content on the web for a “first read” by someone who wants to know the basics about a topic

How do you feel about this? Wikipedia Call For Funds