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Jun 10 2006, 10:39 PM |
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Admittedly, when the topic of Net Neutrality first showed up, I ignored it because it sounded too complicated and I didn't think it had much to do with me. I was wrong.
Too late, (though I still emailed my congressmen), I spent some time trying to learn more, and I still am. I'm trying to understand what is fair and what makes sense. The gist is that in the USA, the phone and cable companies like ATT, Comcast and Verizon want to take over the Internet and essentially own it. But before they invest the billions it will take to upgrade and maintain the infrastructure (phone lines, cable), they want the US Gov't to promise that it will be worth their investment. So they want to be paid back. To do that, they need money from us. They need money from big Internet-based companies like Google, Amazon, Ebay, Yahoo! and others like them . Also, the not high profit, like Craigslist, to pay to be accessed by you and me. DSL and cable providers will charge us differently by offering tier services based on things like what websites we use the most and how we use the Internet. For example, if you are heavy users of online games and social networking, you will pay more for the bandwidth than the senior citizen who only searches once in awhile and emails their family on occasion. Businesses and companies who access the Internet will pay more than consumers. I'm not sure what happens to free Wireless, but I've seen concerns brought up about it by cities that are thinking of offering it city-wide. Some say this is the end of the Internet as we know it, here in the USA. Besides the tier-based payment, there is said to be (or a fear that) that the ISP's will decide what search engine you will get depending which one partners with them to have the fastest delivery speed. So for example, Verizon customers if partnered with Yahoo! will get that search engine as their default and it will also be the one that downloads faster. Should they prefer Google, they will have to wait longer. I have read that content discrimination is not part of the Net Neutrality bill. However, it doesn't take much imagination to wonder what a religious-owned ISP will block from consumers if they want to. There are more and more TV cable channels that target specific markets and belief systems. ISP's could do exactly the same thing and only provide access to specific sites. For parents, this might be a good thing. As I read the comments and articles, pro and con, I keep wondering what this means for web design and SEO? Search engines are getting better at delivering results based on where you live and who you are. How would these changes effect how you apply SEO techniques? What does this do to marketing efforts on behalf of web sites? If Google Adsense Ads no longer reach EVERYBODY, what happens then? How does this work on an Internet where the consumer web site viewing choices are based on how much they can afford or what their ISP will provide? We've been used to designing, optimizing and marketing for an International, fairly wide cross section of people. We know many of our efforts don't get past Chinese censors. What will it be like if the "censors" are phone companies in the USA? If you incorporate video into sites, do consumers have to pay more to view the web site? What does this mean to sites built outside the USA, who are accessed by American users? Here are some quotes to consider and links. What do you think about this? QUOTE Let's put this issue in a larger context: The Internet is on the verge of one of the most dramatic breakthroughs in its history. Pretty soon, more and more Internet users will be streaming data-rich video into their homes, using the Web for online games, practicing telemedicine and having voice conversations. - Mike McCurryBut standing in the way of these benefits is the need for substantial network upgrades. Face it, the current Internet is creaky and will quickly get congested without improvements. The Internet providers need to recoup their investments and one way is to charge a premium for managing bandwidth content differently. The need for this is self-evident: Data from a video or phone conversation has to be prioritized differently than data from a standard Web site access. QUOTE Here's a real world example that shows how this would work. Let's say you call Joe's Pizza and the first thing you hear is a message saying you'll be connected in a minute or two, but if you want, you can be connected to Pizza Hut right away. That's not fair, right? You called Joe's and want some Joe's pizza. Well, that's how some telecommunications executives want the Internet to operate, with some Web sites easier to access than others. For them, this would be a money-making regime. Craig Newmark, founder of craigslist.orgThe Day the Wild, Carefree and Sexy Internet Died House rejects Net neutrality rules "Net Neutrality" loses to telecom and cable lobbying Slashdot- Net Neutrality Voted Down in U.S. House Committee A Note to Google Users on Net Neutrality The Struggle for Net Freedom The Internet's Future Congress should stay out of cyberspace. Not So Neutral This post has been edited by cre8pc: Jun 14 2006, 09:33 PM |
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Jun 11 2006, 11:49 AM |
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QUOTE Nobody owns the Internet. No government has sole power over the Net, as its components fall under numerous national and state jurisdictions that may set forth constraints on what can be communicated over it. Due to the way the Internet works, there exists no central technical control nor is there a need for it. Packets of information are able to find their own way from sender to recipient. Some say this is one of the secrets of the Net’s success. Consequently, the Internet does not need and does not have a central governing and coordinating core, except for three specific functions that have to do with addressing devices, mostly computers, connected to the Net. From Jefferson Rebuffed - The United States and the Future of Internet Governance The net neutrality issue although different from the recent debacle mentioned in the above quote touches a number of similar issues. Firstly the claim that the ‘owners’ of the backbones do not get compensated is untrue as anyone that paid for a DSL or telephone connection knows. Not all ISPS own the cables and the fiber optics; I as well as Google have to pay for connecting to these backbones. I need one connection, they may need 100 000. We each contributed in our own way to the costs of the infrastructure. What the new legislation is doing is to regulate a different pricing structure where Companies such as A&T will be protected at the cost of the consumer. Rest assured if providing this service was not profitable they would have closed these divisions down. Like anything else in business, yes you need to keep on investing in your infrastructure. History always repeats itself. The Victorians understood the importance of low cost communication and especially in keeping in touch with the far flung parts of the various empires. It took about 50 years and the establishment of the Universal Postal Union to establish the ‘penny post’ whereby you could post a letter from Australia to the UK or from Liverpool to London with approximates the same or almost the same cost! This established a principle that costs cannot be allocated individually to all users in matters of communication. By adjusting the rate up or down slightly the world’s post offices provided excellent service and made a profit over many years. So did the telegraph! To an extend mobile phone companies are doing it now. Skype and the other emerging VOIP companies are the new pioneers. Electrons don’t travel at the speed of mail-boats and this ideal now is easier to achieve than before. The internet is perhaps the ONLY common thing that people from all nations share at this point in history. The USA suffers both form ‘over governance’, arrogance in government and over regulation. Just a look at all the ridiculous - and there is no other way to describe these lawsuits- that daily take place due to over regulation. Kim you mentioned craigslist in your post as more or less a community service organization. Check this one out. As for the internet designers, webmasters, developers and search engines they will beat the system once more! Yannis PS This is probably my longest post since I have been here. I think Bragadocchiosis is infectious! (Elizabeth please take note this one will have to compete with positrolling for Google SERPS!) This post has been edited by yannis: Jun 11 2006, 11:58 AM |
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Jun 11 2006, 08:59 PM |
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The rich will get richer, the poor will get poorer. Thats the way life is these days....
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Jun 12 2006, 02:31 AM |
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QUOTE It's really rather surprising that this whole attack against Net Neutrality is being pushed within the country whose government has supported the notion that ICANN should continue to be the universal arbiter on all Internet matters. Shades of the WTO - cultural imperialism meets "free" trade. You know, throughout history the US has had a way of pulling socio-economic issues to a point. Just look at our civil war. Justice and capitalism make strange bedfellows. |
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Jun 12 2006, 08:34 AM |
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I think it's worth pointing out that this situation is still far from over - although the net neutrality amendment has been struck down by the house, there are still several other bills (in both the House and the Senate) being considered at various levels. There is still time - not all of these other bills are necessarily acceptable as they stand, but in the months before any of them can become law there is room for changes. Write your congressional representatives! Everybody!
The whole net neutrality question is very confusing - I've read dozens of article on it, and I'm left nearly as confused as I was before I started. Everybody has their own idea of what the idea entails, what will happen if this bill (or another) fails to pass... QUOTE I know this sounds selfish, but as a person outside the United States how will this affect us? I know it doesn't directly affect us, but it will still impose limits on what we can do on the Internet. Even if it is in an indirect manner. It will, in fact, directly affect you, as I understand it. What may happen (none of this is certain) is that a group of communications companies could take "ownership" of the internet infrastructure. These companies are international in scope, and internet resources are also international in scope. Part of what may happen is that the companies could create tiered-payment plans for content providers (Google, Amazon, etc.) as well as for users - and furthermore, they could create any division of content they chose. Even though they may not be able to directly control your access to the 'net, they would be able to control many of the content providers you would like to access. For example, from South Africa, you may wish to access a website in the United States - but the ISP which provides internet access to the hosting company who owns that website's server only allows access from Western European and US IP addresses, so you're out of luck. The hosting service couldn't afford to pay the surcharge for any other economic regions, so that's the end of that. The same logic could be extended to any given service or website. With the international nature of the internet, it's very unclear to me exactly how far this could extend - and I also wonder whether this economic model, of limited or tiered service can even be effectively applied to the internet. It seems like simply a way for communication companies to leverage more income from their property by discriminating against the poor or less successful. |
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Jun 12 2006, 11:16 AM |
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QUOTE From him, I learned that if someone wants something bad enough, they will get it. He wanted to share ideas and talk to people. In fact, he had taught himself HTML and had several websites devoted to his favorite topics. Yet he had no home, no job, no computer of his own... I think the thing that frightens me about this is that it will change what the average user sees. Kind of like major network news - sure, there are alternatives out there, but the major news coverage shapes what the average American viewer thinks, believes, pays attention to. There will always be alternatives for those who search hard enough, but shaping the awareness of the majority is a huge power, and one I believe net non-neutrality will impact substantially. P.S. For those who want to learn more or participate, this is the website of the coalition to "save the internet" (truly odd bedfellows!). This post has been edited by dgeary9: Jun 12 2006, 11:22 AM |
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Jun 21 2006, 10:15 AM |
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i agree, this is a complicated issue and it has some strange bedfellows on both sides of the issue, both left and right groups waying in on both sides. here's 2 articles against this..
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=243 http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=242 Chris This post has been edited by jcbradley: Jun 21 2006, 10:16 AM |
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