PR update Options

[folex]

Not so relevant now, however G is starting to update the PR on my sites. Anybody else seing theirs change?

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[travis]

Yes,

Our customers' PR rating appears to have been updated, but the rankings themselves are virtually unchanged.

[folex]

Travis,

I have seen no significant change in any positions. However it seems strange that google has upgraded one of my sites, yet it is still penalising me.

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[travis]

Yeah,

Either

(a) PR is not everything its cracked up to be anymore

or

( Although the PR has changed, the ranking algorithm does not get the updated PR for an undetermined period of time

I have noticed lately that our rankings move around more without doing anything, so perhaps some of the changes are implemented over time.

However, with any ranking scheme, if you type the PR next to the top 100 ranking sites for any term, there does appear to be a general drop off in PR as ranking position increases.

[folex]

I have no real trust in the PR of any site. I have no real trust in Google generally.

There are pockets on the web that G seems to of forgotten about, I just try to get on with it.

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[travis]

Folex,

As long as you research the basics such as code validation, how search engines treat different modes of code (javascript, css, flash, asp or php) then there is little else to worry about.

We do ask customers to get a couple of backlinks from related associations and a link from DMOZ, and thats about it.

We just had a customer on the phone with someone guaranteeing them number 1 positions, fake URL's with backlinks dedicated to their site, and 600,000 backlinks available.

Search engines are basically non-linear so that basially means that if one procedure of attribute has a positive effect, then doing it 1 million times will not guarantee them better results.

It is very hard for our customers to grasp that idea, because the best customers (who can afford decent web design and understand its benefit) are usually the ones who have done things a million times and optimised their business process to death.

So they think that search engines will behave the same way.

We never guarantee rankings on Google, and for that reason, we always package SEO for free in our contracts. If the rankings turn out bad because of issues out of our control, we dont hand any money back, because we never took it in the first place.

Having said that, most of our businesses rank very well.

[folex]

I am building a new site for a client, SEO options or not, you still build it with the engines in mind - it needs a logical structure.

The problem with these guys is that they had a company do their SEO before (prime example for your client on the phone). The company have used a cloaking technique, the client was very happy at first because of their initial position, they have seriously dropped now.

My problem will be when G tries in its own time, to index the new pages and remove the present clutter it is dealing with now.

This is going to be a slow process.

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[travis]

Yeah,

We have upgraded a site lately, and as the supplemental pages disappear and only the new pages are left, the ranking has increased.

Took 6 months to get rid of the old pages though.

[folex]

Sounds about right, I have pre warned them of their dilema.

Wonder if I get a party for 100 posts. (lol)

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[bwelford]

Sure, folex, on a Friday it's any excuse for a party.

[folex]

Cheers Barry,

I better get those last 8 posts in then. (all relevant of course).

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[az266]

I have a site which is 6 months old with PR1 on homepage and PR0 on other pages. I only had 6 links on Google before, so I have worked hard over the last 4 months to increase this. I am now on DMOZ, and now show 43 (PR3+) links on Google.

I thought that this would give me a PR3 or PR4, but there is currently no change at any datacentre.

Interesting thing is that I am now showing on the Google directory, and I am above a PR3 site when shown in PR order.

What is happening? Can I still get a PR update in the next few days??

[Michael_Martinez]

The Toolbar PageRank is not a reflection of number of links or even necessarily of link quality any longer. Probably hasn't been for a long time, but with this update, there seems to be a total disconnect between link popularity and the Toolbar nonsense.

As far as search results go, low-PR sites have been outranking high-PR sites for years. Happens all the time. Google determines and ranks by relevancy before applying link popularity to sorting query results. Also, if they are applying LocalRank (which looks at the relationships between the up-to-1000 documents in the query results sets), a low-PR site could have many more inbound links from other documents in that 1000-document set than any of the high-PR sites.

There are many possible explanations for why low-PR sites outrank high-PR sites.

Those of you whose clients need to get old pages out of the system, don't forget that Google allows people to request removal of old content.

[obiztek]

PR update has been done by Google without much change in the ranking.

Too much focus on PR is not practical as there are many departments to focus upon.

[AbleReach]

I'm seeing updated PR on deeper links, not much change on home pages, and no change on newer (sandboxed?) sites or pages. The cache of sites that are getting changed PR seems to be older, as if they've had the info they've used for a while and are just now applying it.

My sample is small. Is this what others are noticing?

It's kind of fun to see the little green bar change...


Elizabeth

[aboyd]

My site (publisherdatabase.com), which you all were so kind to help me fix up over the last 3 weeks, went from PR 0 to PR 5. It only launched on March 31st, so I think that's pretty good for such a short timespan.

My other sites all stayed at PR 5 and 4, so it seems like a barrier for me. I don't know quite how to get a PR 6.

In any case, I'm really happy with the results, and really grateful to cre8asite.

[Allund]

When I first put up my website G gave me a ranking of six. Now it is four. I come up number one in a G search with what I think are my key words. Isn't that more important?
Does Google penalize you for not returning the favor to sites that place your link? There are a lot of sites that I do not want to link to.

[bwelford]

Welcome to the Forums, Allund.

You've got it right in your first paragraph. Coming high in the SERPs for your key words is what counts. As more web pages are added to the Google database, all PageRanks drop. Mine used to be a 6 and is now a 4 also.

The simple answer to your last question is No. Largely the only links that count are those coming in to your web page.

[seiya]

Damn, i missed this update by a few days... i didnt start getting links til like a few days ago result PR 0, sucks

I have got around 10 PR5 links and i might get 1 PR 7 link for 3 months, you guys think that will get me a PR 5 ranking on next update?

Thanks for any advice

[sansonj72]

My site has decreased in PR and yet for my important phrases I have gone up. How crazy is this? http://www.KINGofHUD.com/