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post Dec 19 2002, 11:06 AM
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Which is the better way to submit to PPI engines?

Should you only submit the home page of your site and wait for the rest of your site to be spidered?

Or should you submit the specific URLs you want to promote?
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post Dec 19 2002, 11:11 AM
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Any pages you definitely want to be in the index, you should pay-per-inclusion. Otherwise, your best bet is probably to not submit any and wait for them to spider your site. Most of the paid-inclusion engines right now are doing a great job of finding new pages and adding them to their databases. Just make sure you're in some of the major directories, and they'll find you.

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post Dec 19 2002, 05:49 PM
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Quick :?:

Is PPI and PFI the same thing?

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post Dec 19 2002, 06:01 PM
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Yes, Pay-Per-Inclusionn and Pay-For-Inclusion.

Same thing.

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post Dec 19 2002, 06:07 PM
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Thanks Jill-Grinch! (avatar)

!j/k!

I thought they were, but would rather "risk" asking here than be in with a client that knows something I don't and risk losing some face there.

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post Dec 19 2002, 06:14 PM
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No problem!

Bah-Humbug!

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post Dec 20 2002, 01:47 PM
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PFI in Ink will exclude other non-PFI pages of your site. Why? They have a business, ergo, they will not do a free spider to PFIs. Now think about it...think...think.
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post Dec 20 2002, 01:51 PM
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PFI in Ink will exclude other non-PFI pages of your site. Why? They have a business, ergo, they will not do a free spider to PFIs. Now think about it...think...think.
This is not always true. I paid Ink for my main page and no others, and they have other pages of my site indexed. I've seen the same thing with my client's sites.

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post Dec 20 2002, 02:16 PM
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Fair enough, Jill, I'll qualify that. It is unlikely that Ink will do a spider (and inclusion) on a site if there are not sufficient inbounds to the site to warrant a free index and inclusion.

Yes, they have included other pages of my (clients') sites but I have yet to enjoy a full index by their spiders.
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post Dec 20 2002, 04:15 PM
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This bit about not being fully crawled if you pay a fee for one or more pages to be included has been mentioned before in this forum. I haven't found this to be true either but don't do SEO on any grand scale for clients anymore to have much of a say. It didn't seem to hurt me to submit a homepage and sitemap page to Ink for my site or two client sites I did this with.

But the warning has been that no other pages will be crawled and only the included pages get the recrawl. Would love to get a definite answer on this somehow.

Related: How promising is it to use the free MSN backdoor to Ink? Has anyone studied results to compare this vs PPI?

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post Dec 20 2002, 04:20 PM
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Ink is crawling and adding sites very quickly these days, and there's no reason to submit to any backdoor page if you're not paying for PPI. They are doing a good job of finding things on their own as long as they are linked to from elsewhere (just like Google).

As to the PPI thing, I know that Barry Lloyd of MakeMeTop who submits many, many, many pages through PPI says that it's simply not true that they drop all your other pages when you do PPI.

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post Jan 8 2003, 04:39 AM
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I agree with Jill completely. The engines do NOT automatically drop other pages when/if you pay for inclusion on some pages.

But I think there IS a reason, especially for SEOs, to submit CERTAIN optimized pages to the paid inclusion programs. Since the spiders for PAID inclusion will return on a set schedule, one can optimize the page for that particular engine! (many many SEOs have ZERO idea how to optimize a page for Inktomi, AltaVista, ASK/TEOMA, LYCOS/FAST, etc.) Pay for inclusion and optimize, optimize, optimize.

(Just a side note: anyone who has ever worked in Silicon Valley for tech companies can tell you that one hand doesn't know what the other hand is doing in many instances! The techies aren't 'of the same mind' as the business/management types, and it is VERY easy for projects to take a life of their own)

Anyways, I pay for inclusion on TONS of pages. And I've usually been very happy. Of course SOMETIMES it's not worth the money. Often it's a "snowball effect". i.e. pay for inclusion in Altavista and you'll receive a higher listing than non-paid inclusion (that's just a fact, I can prove it with over 50+ paid ULRs)... then other sites that value AltaVista's listings will rank you "just a little bit higher"... and the "snowball" starts getting bigger. Add in ASK/TEOMA inclusions, Inktomi, Mamma, LookSmart, Yahoo!, Galaxy, Business.com and others and you'll see results.

Since I personally have about 100+ domains I've tried numeous variations (without AltaVista, without Yahoo!, without Inktomi, without LookSmart, etc, etc.)... and it is difficult to track everything due to a wide varitety of issues.

I have seen Google hitting AdWords Select URLs. I've also seen my AltaVista and SPRINKS listings show up as backlinks in Google in the past.

Thus, paid inclusion = potential visitors. Every page you're listed on is a POTENTIAL visitor in and of itself (since you're listed on the page). IF a visitor actually visits you there are remnant traces of the visit that MAY be tracked indirectly by the almighty g00gle! (Google toolbar on the visitor may record their visit to your site; site logs may record your visit, g00gle MAY parse those logs, etc.)
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