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post Feb 9 2004, 03:16 PM
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I've been seeing results on Yahoo that are a lot closer to Intomi than Google. Anyone else seeing this?
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post Feb 9 2004, 03:52 PM
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Now they are back to the Google results. Too bad, the variety was nice for a change.
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post Feb 9 2004, 04:03 PM
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hmmmm..... I saw that too today... hey I love Google results... am rocking with them right now... but would like Yahoo to change now so I have the time to tweak them before I have to run after another Google shake up.
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post Feb 18 2004, 06:30 AM
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It has begun...

http://news.com.com/2100-1024_3-5160710.ht...ml?tag=nefd_top

Cheers... Tom
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post Feb 18 2004, 04:37 PM
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Yup here's Yahoo's press release on it: http://docs.yahoo.com/docs/pr/release1142.html.

(Note: the heads up was from Peter Da Vanzo's Search Engine Blog.)
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post Feb 18 2004, 04:44 PM
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From the few searches I've tried this morning the results are awesome. 8)
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post Feb 18 2004, 05:15 PM
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I assume that means your sites are doing well in them Sophie? wink-2.gif

Seems to vary quite a bit from what I've looked at, but probably due to differences between the full web and uk searches.

Similar search phrases are bring up some pretty varied results in a the sector the company I work for is in.

Will be interesting though, see how it settles out over the next few weeks (to ensure the Google influence is gone from regional listing and everything).
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post Feb 18 2004, 05:29 PM
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From what I've seen Yahoo.com has switched but Yahoo.co.uk hasn't yet changed over.
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post Feb 18 2004, 05:42 PM
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I assume that means your sites are doing well in them Sophie?

Yes they are but more than that on the whole I've found them really relevant. I also really like the interface and the way the results are formatted. Over all I'm impressed.

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From what I've seen Yahoo.com has switched but Yahoo.co.uk hasn't yet changed over.

Yahoo have said this will be done over the next few weeks. Yahoo.com.au is also still Google for now.
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post Feb 18 2004, 05:51 PM
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Much to everyone's shock, they're getting decent reviews basically summed up as "on average, as good as google." There are/will be plenty of "I HATE IT" and "I LOVE IT" posts --but that's the nature of forums.

In reference to an earlier thread here, I have seen some mention that blogs are less of a factor in Y vs G, but I can't really confirm that. Anyone?
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post Feb 18 2004, 05:59 PM
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The big question is, in 12 months when spammers care about them, will Yahoo's results be as good?

GOogle has been a marked engine for so long, now the spammers will start in on Yahootomi. Be interesting to see how they handle it...
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post Feb 18 2004, 06:05 PM
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The spammers started work on Ink years ago. Ink is just a little more vindictive about removing them, their class C IP block and any sites they think may be related.
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post Feb 18 2004, 06:14 PM
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Great point ProjectPHP, Google's been such high profile the last few years that so much effort has been put into their specific algos, they've not bothered with other engines, at all in some cases.

Spammers may have started on INK yrs ago Kali, but INK hasn't been in the spotlight this much in a long time and they have no doubt changed a fair few things with the aquisitions made and developed over time anyway. While peoples backs have been half turned they have been relatively free of scrutiny.

Clearly going to change now. It'll be interesting to see how long it takes people to get to grips with manipulating Yahoo! and how Google continue, as they now seem to improving their SERP's again.

(aside: theres a bit of a conspiracy theory, Google results have been all over the shop for a few months and people have been complaining about a drop in relevancy. People seem to be saying thats starting to come back now, just as Yahoo! drop them? hmm.....)
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post Feb 18 2004, 06:39 PM
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Don't know about you, but I've been working Ink quite heavily in the last 6 months, in preparation for this switch over.
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post Feb 18 2004, 07:26 PM
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Search Day have some in-depth analysis of the latest at Yahoo in the article "Yahoo! Birth of a New Machine".
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Yahoo is rolling out a brand new search engine today, with its own index and ranking mechanisms...

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In a surprising move, Yahoo isn't replacing Google with Inktomi. Rather, the company has developed a brand new search engine, drawing on the lessons learned from what the company calls the \"critical mass\" of search engineering talent that it has brought together through hiring and acquisitions, as well as investment in infrastructure and product quality.

So, according to Yahoo (and our own eyes) this is not just Yahoo's flavour of Inktomi. Its a whole new engine.
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The Yahoo Search index is capturing the full text of web pages, up to a 500K limit. This is greater than the 101K maximum indexed by Google. A broad range of file types, including HTML, PDF, and Microsoft Office documents is also included in the mix.

How big is Yahoo's index? They aren't saying, despite Google's announcement yesterday that it has expanded its index to nearly 4.3 billion documents (6 billion, if you count images and newsgroup postings, as Google does). 

Interestingly, in almost all of my tests with random queries, Yahoo reports more results found than Google. Does this mean that Yahoo's index is bigger? Perhaps -- but reported results are estimates, not exact counts. They also can include factors other than keyword matches and so are notoriously unreliable measures of overall index size. Suffice to say that Yahoo's index is comparable to Google's for most queries.
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post Feb 18 2004, 08:05 PM
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The index is definitely Inktomi based - I have information at my disposal which close on proves this fact.

The ranking algorithm maybe new and applied onto an existing Inktomi db. There has certainly been some shake up of positions in comparison to current Inktomi outlets, but there still appears to be significant correlation.
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post Feb 18 2004, 08:25 PM
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I have run three queries this morning (NZ time) for our corporate site (focusing on website designers). The first on google.com, the second on Yahoo.com and the third on Yahoo.co.nz (which is still using Google). The results are: Google loves us, Yahoo.co.nz pretty much does too (but not as much as Google) and yahoo.com thinks we are relevant and has us on the first page. However, the other results on the 'new Yahoo' are bit of a mixed bag. We rank but so do some sites that really shouldn't be up there as they just are not relevant - for example the number one spot went to the local newspaper, and they certainly are not designers, though it is a prominent and very popular website. Another example is a 'fashion designer' site is ranking at number 3.

But I am not going to become obsessed, as it's early days yet...
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post Feb 18 2004, 10:47 PM
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I have just checked SERPs for two of my top clients who are in a very competitive area internationally (online pharmacy). Their positions on Yahoo are out of this world, I am impressed, but I am not counting my chickens yet! Though in the space of several hours I have become obsessed! with Yahoo. It's great to be doing this job on days like these!
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post Feb 19 2004, 12:35 AM
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Don't know about you, but I've been working Ink quite heavily in the last 6 months, in preparation for this switch over.

How does one spell trusted feed again??

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The Yahoo Search index is capturing the full text of web pages, up to a 500K limit.

When I read that I thought, how much are the spammers going to LOVE this. This is most spammers dream, 500 KB of spammy text.

Personally, I am not convinced indexing larger HTML pages makes a Search Engine better. Infact, I think a very strong case could be made for the reverse.

IMHO it would be better to have limits set by file type, say 80KB limit for HTML, and 1 -5 megs for .doc, .PDF and images. That would probably lead to the same total cost in terms of bandwidth, as PDF and docs are far less common, but would produce the best all round database.

just my $0.02
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post Feb 19 2004, 09:13 AM
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hmm.

i would say for the sake of relevance the whole of a page should be spidered.

on the otherhand any designer who makes 500k html pages needs shooting wink.gif
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