UK Wizz - new SE in beta
Posted 24 August 2004 - 01:21 PM
Posted 24 August 2004 - 05:02 PM
Just a quick introduction. My name is Alistair McIntyre and Im the guy behind UKwizz.
Thanks for spotting it and posting about it. I actualy found this post doing a link check on Google.
Just now UKWizz is still being worked on. I'm trying to get everything working as well as posible, then I plan to try and promote it as much as possible. It's pretty difficult because I run the whole thing from a walk in cupboard at my house on pretty much a zero budget.
The aim is to keep it as UK specific as possible. Google, yahoo and the others are great search engines, I just feel they let the average UK searcher down.
Feel free to let me know what you think (be gentle) lol
Posted 24 August 2004 - 05:30 PM
I got 2 results, both results were from the UK.
So it looks like you are on your way, are you going to give us your trade secrets?
Are you using API's from other engines like some of the other Meta Search Engines?
Will you make deals with data providers like IBM who provides data services for small retail Search Engines?
Are you open source like www.nutch.org
We have millions of questions for you, I will list you on my International Search Engines page, see the link in my signature.
I will list you if you are kind to all of us and give us some information.
Not asking for your trade secrets, but I am sure a lot of folks here would be interested in General Information from a search engine builder/developer?
Posted 24 August 2004 - 07:12 PM
Quite a fast moving forum you have here.
A lot of people have asked me "is it a feed etc" honestly, it isn't. I woudl have probably been a lot cheaper to use one though :shock:
The biggest batttle I have is with keeping it UK specific. When I forst had the idea to lunch a UK se I know I had to find some method of filtering results. The easy option is to only index .co.uk domain names, but them you are loosing a lot of good UK sites on .com .net etc. What I decided was to block a lot of comain extensions, the ones that are not going to be UK relates such as most european extensions. Then allow .com .net .org etc but filter url's by ip address. That way I exclude anything that doesnt reside on a Uk ip range.
At first I though it woudl be simly a case of downloading a cvs file and using it.. no chance. I ended up downloading a world IP database and removing everything but UK. Took ages lol. The main problem I have it that IP ranges are not constaint. Every now and them I need to re-do the Ip ranges to make sure I am up to date.
But hey all's fun in the world of "web"
Posted 24 August 2004 - 07:57 PM
We hope you remain a member here for a long time, like I mentioned, we will have over a million questions to ask you in the future. Be sure to come back 5 times a day please...... :?:
Posted 25 August 2004 - 03:38 AM
I think we will see a lot more of this type of SE. The Internet is now so vast. Who needs thousands of results for a query? What people want is relevant results. And a lot of the time that includes a geographical limit.
One of the big attractions of Google for me has been the option on Google.co.uk to search UK sites only. It's pretty effective. (And of course Google offers similiar options for other countries and for languages.) But there's room for good competition.
UK Wizz at the moment carries no advertising. That's a plus.
BBC Search also carries no advertising. That uses a Yahoo/Intomi database I believe, but with a filter that favours UK sites. There's been recent talk from the BBC of making its search a stand-alone service. Some commentators interpreted that as meaning that Auntie would dump Yahoo and build its own SE. From where I'm sitting it looks more as though the intention is to move search to its own domain. But would they be interested in dropping Yahoo in favour of a home-grown SE I wonder ....
Posted 25 August 2004 - 03:43 AM
Just the generals. Did it behave, did it respect your robots.txt and did it take it's time to index?
Posted 25 August 2004 - 04:16 AM
Posted 25 August 2004 - 07:16 AM
Complaints will come your way fast enough, if people find anything to complain about
haha Yea, you better beleive it.
Posted 25 August 2004 - 11:00 AM
Posted 25 August 2004 - 12:01 PM
Posted 25 August 2004 - 01:30 PM
Good find Jean
Posted 25 August 2004 - 03:29 PM
Just a quick one UKWhizz, when I type in a url I expect the engine to tell me if that URL is listed, like google etc does, yours just goes ahead and performs a search on it.
Thats a very good point. I have always been amazed at how many people can't see the difference between a search box and an address bar. I will try and impliment that asap.
AC you where asking about perhaps adding an option where users can search the rest of the web. I have been giving this a lot of though. To be honest I am aiming the SE mainly at UK users so in effect it creates a niche. Although I have to agree that sometimes you do need a backup. A good example woudl be a universal search. (looking for some code etc) when doing this sort of search country specific means nothing. I think I will find a way of adding a web search option, perhaps have it as a link on the "no results found" page or from within the serps.
If I do add a web search option I woudl liek to offer search from a new se like mines, as oposed to simply using a feed from Google etc.
You also asked about the software I use. I vurrently Run aspseek. It's written in c++ and runs well on linux. The downside is that aspseek is very much at the end of it's development. I have a wish list and a c++ developer who I used to go to school with :?
Posted 25 August 2004 - 03:41 PM
Posted 25 August 2004 - 04:03 PM
Posted 25 August 2004 - 04:16 PM
One small irritant is that I note your SERP pages give a horizontal scroll bar even at 1024 x 768 resolution. This is because of the size of some of your images. I would suggest a maximum width of 744 pixels so that even Mac users on 800 x 600 resolution can see it all.
As an ex-Brit here in Canada, I did not expect to find any references to me and I didn't. However I hoped that you might have a link to my brother's website for Creative Learning called BrainWareMap. Have you considered adding a 'Submit a link' feature?
Posted 25 August 2004 - 05:48 PM
I have also noticed the faults on the pages. I will be moving towards a fluid layout very soon. The design right now is really more of a shell until I get the back-end sorted out. Once everything else is working well I will launch a new design.
I will also be including an add url form soon also. What I want to do Is have one good index that has been purely spidered before I allow submited pages. That way if things go wrong it is possible to roll back.
This is a great place for getting feedback, thanks guys/gals
Posted 26 August 2004 - 05:32 AM
Is this something that you guys have considered?
Posted 26 August 2004 - 11:28 AM
You you where right.. next and prev buttons now in use
Posted 26 August 2004 - 07:06 PM
Posted 27 August 2004 - 05:17 AM
Yep any site hosted on a UKip range is able to be listed.
Posted 30 August 2004 - 01:57 PM
They just came out with Meta search for UK
Posted 30 August 2004 - 06:10 PM
The main problem with a meta is lack of control over the results, although in this case they have a pretty good balence from each engine.
Posted 30 August 2004 - 08:51 PM
Posted 30 August 2004 - 09:21 PM
I saw a college student's white paper recently on the creation and valuation of a company, and his first question jumped right into developing the business to please a venture capitalist. I'm not sure most people start with that in mind.
I'd guess that most companies don't start out looking to be a publically traded company. I'd also say that the process of becoming one has a tendency to transform a company into something very different that what its creator started.
I'd imagine, that if Alistair is running UKWizz from a small office, he might be tempted if he got an offer like that.
But, he seems to have a pretty good business plan, a niche that he seems to have cornered, a smart approach, and the good sense to visit with us and ask and answer questions. (Thanks UKWizz!) It' would probably be tempting to stick it out in a situation like that. 10%? Maybe?
Didn't two univerisity students make a deal early on to bring their internet company public? Yep. The two guys from Yahoo! What were their names again?
Posted 30 August 2004 - 09:53 PM
Staying private is the way to go until you are forced to go public. Google was forced to go public because of the number of shareholders. In addition to that, the venture capital folks and the early investors want to cash out.
Going public offers many opportunities, but has many associated expenses for legal, public relations and disclosure requirements.
I would never tell any small company to even consider it, a lot of small companies are going private because of the above mentioned costs to remain public.
Posted 30 August 2004 - 09:57 PM
Feel free to post your search engine in your signature file.
Posted 30 August 2004 - 10:20 PM
Good to have you aboard UKWizz!
... the costs of legal, accounting and reporting requirements for a small company are upwards of $500,000 - $1,000,000 a year just to comply with the SEC regulations to become and remain publicly traded.
I remember being surprised a few years back when I learned that it wasn't unusual for the process of having an Initial Public Offering to cost over a million dollars.
There are even more compliance and reporting requirements these days than ever before. It is expensive.
I'd agree that staying private is an ideal situation for many companies, and the number of private companies in the US and around the world dwarfs the number of companies where shares are exchanged on a stock market.
But there are times when opportunity costs need to be met, and an IPO is the only way to secure the type of money necessary to take advantage of those opportunities.
Funny though, the most common exit from a company by a venture capitalist is through a merger or acquisition rather than an IPO.
I'd recommend avoiding the venture capitalists if possible, for as long as possible, unless it makes sense to have the money to help grow.
Posted 30 August 2004 - 10:30 PM
Lets put it this way, if they offer me 2 million for 20% of my business they would have their 20% as soon as the corporate attorney had the holding company incorporated and the shares can be distributed.
Posted 30 August 2004 - 10:33 PM
The typical lead underwriting fees are 5 to 7 percent. $100 million IPO, well the math is pretty easy.
Add to that recurring auditors, SEC counsel, internal accounting and legal fees, filing fees, annual report costs, Sabanes-Oxley compliance, annual meeting costs, public relations fees, board of director fees, stock option administration, crisis-management firms, press releases, conference calls and you've got one big administrative pain in the behind. It's very expensive.
Posted 30 August 2004 - 10:38 PM
I'm not sure if it's fair of us to be selling off the business without the involvement of UKWizz.
I guess we're sort of wandering widely off the topic.
A strong niche search engine based upon geography is a great idea though.
Posted 30 August 2004 - 11:23 PM
Posted 31 August 2004 - 09:57 AM
VC funding would be a dream come true, the way it works just now is I have a day job (non IT related) and that finances the se. So far I have been able to keep the costs really low. I build my own servers, host from home etc. Curently it's all about keeping the costs as low as possible. I do however plan to grow, as this happens the costs will inevitably go up.
In terms of generating revenue, I dont want to do this directly from the ukwizz sites. On UKwizz i don't have any plans to use advertising ect. To be honest my main ain is to build a decent index that I can liscence to other sites. I know that if i want to do this the results will need to be improved, but as the index grows I am working on this.
What I want to offer is a totaly "pure" search engine. No ads, no ppc and no sponsored links. The most I would do, would be to have a small "powered by" image on the homepage, that is if anyone would actualy want to be a sponsor.
If I was to get any form of funding I think I would have no trouble spending it. Lets just say I have quite a large shopping list as it is. The main areas are load balencing and more bandwidth, so I guess I will be putting in a lot of overtime :shock:
Posted 31 August 2004 - 10:16 AM
You might want to contact a few bankers in London before jumping in when looking for a law firm.
Posted 31 August 2004 - 10:37 AM
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