wow - tons of responses...
"in suit" simply means remaining in work mode... I had it applied at a down-dressed compay I worked at ... though not one of us wore a tire or what would be termedas a "suit"... it's when at work, on route to/from, and when out with work colleagues, we found alot of us remained "business like"... which takes alittle effort after a few pints
That's not to say I post the same elsewhere - you just won't hear about it.
The problem is that the words hae more than a single meaning/implication.
Professional = Paid for // For a living // with skill and/or expertise
Amateur = Not paif // for interest, hobby, fun // without skill and/or expertise
So the problem is there is what I would call a negative on the Amateur label (which I agree, is a shame, as I love my work).
The disclaimer stuff was funny - but iunfortunately they are a kind of necessary eveil - esp. in some situations where people can take something in a different context.
Take a post in the Women in SEO thread... there is what I consider a humerous comment about defaulting to find women attractive.
Yet that could jsut as easily be seen as a sexist comment by some, to others an open invite.
Perspective is a pain - yet can cause a lot of damage.
Plus you haev to cover your rear due to certain people... (I hope I don't get slapped for the "dumb" stuff again)... but did you not see about the women, the wet cat and the microwave?
Whether true or not... people do stupid things (that is in comparison to sensible!!! ok?)... and disclaimers are there to prevent silly mistakes/misunderstandings being held agaisnt a provider.
Yet I do agree... some of them are ridiculous.
I would like to say "bang on" - if only more people had that view.
I'm not sure if I'd use the word "maturity" ... maybe "reasonableness" or "moderation" would suit better?
Infact... as with the terms Professional and Amateur... it is the definitions that trip people up.
Phrasing aside, I agree with the message/context... though I might still think twice about the electrician
As for the "mother" aspect... I feel my self incrediably spoilt and free'r thanmost... I'm very much "myself" most of the time... and though this may cause problems and some "interesting" occurences (I insulted the entire British Brazilian JuJitsu team with several rude words), I'm always happy in the knowledge that I never let something go by that I shouldn't have, that I've never had the need to hide something, and that I've always said/done what I think/feel is correct.
Then again... I admit thaere have been times when I've tought "sod - should have thought twice before saying/doing"... so maybe having that little voice going "what would mother say" would be of benefit too me (or atleast permit the chance for less altercations).
Wonder how life would be if I had that... may even have made life easier for me.
Darn - now I'm thinkig again
Glad you like it... it's partly due to your comments that I got thinking about it... quite a bit actually
I like the Blogg comparison... and thats the type of thing I'm getting at...
In a way... a part of ourselves that would take time to discover in other industries can more often than not be found quite readily.
Those that use the internet for publicly axccessible communications are more "at risk" than those that don't... for the simple reason of being "themselves" to any and all... where as in "reality", peole tend to be more gaurded, wary and take time before beign so open with others.
I actually worked hard not to consider what your resposne could be.
From personal experience, the results can vary greatly;
I've known of companies that didn't bat an eyelid where at a private party cnosisting of several employees and a few clietns, two staff memebers aired alot of complaints and issues with the company, including some that directly affected/related to some of the clients.
They lost 1 of those clients... yet 2 others came in within a week and wanted to discuss some issues.
Neither of the employees were reprimanded in any way!
The company viewed it as being out of work time, in personal time and expressing personal views, not company policy.
On the other hand, I've worked at companies that basicalyl want to own your life - you cannot say or do anything that could cause harm to the company.
No shouting matches in public, no making a disgrace of yourself due to inebriation, not even mentioning anything work related in your home life.
If you broke any laws, instant cause for dismissal.
If you mentioned anything to do with work, instant cause for dismissal.
No matter how minor the offenec or the comment - you would be told not to come back - they would even send your affects on to you rather than let you back in.
Two extremes... and I don't agree with either of them.
Look at it this way... if the employee has a lot of negatives then he/she is not pleased with the employment environment and it is best for all if the relationship ends. It would be best for everyone if this change is made.
I would say it depends on the nature of the greivances/negatives. I've had jobs that I loved, worked with others that I really enjoyed the company of... yet found certain staff members and company practices disgusting ad plain nasty.
Should I have left? No more high earnings, no more friendly team members, chummy associates or even fantastic clients?
All because there were a few darn backwards rules, hypocrisy and what I would term as moronic employess of the company?
Hell no - I asked if I could call a meeting and bring u pa few issues that I believe, if found worth while resolving, and acted upon, would greatly enhace the company.
Of course - they threatend to fire me after detailing the issues - but at least I made the effort to do what I, and many others, considered a worthwhile thing.
So though your point is valid... I think it depends on the scenario... as much as the other examples we are providing.
(Then again, you company, your policies, your staff... I take it for granted you know know how to handle it best, no matter the situation.)
Ah - I forgot that bit...
Regarding the whole "image" thing... it is common practice to appear "larger than life", it is a common ploy and one that is well established.
There are literally thousands of companies that started off in basements, backrooms, warehouses and garages... that gave the impression of having big premises, lots of money, tons of staff... and now they do.
Many folk will assume little business with little service, and money with success.
So altering the image somewhat is always going to be something that happens for many businesses. The distinction I think, lies in claim and the conduct... words and actions.
Then again, from the negative perspective... false claims suggest dishonesty and unreliabilty. It encourages distrust, and if caugt, could quite rapidly destroy a business.
If you state you can do X... and are then found enquiring about X... you should be shot... not just because you said you knew and didn't... but because you got caught!
Okay.. a little immature... but if you are going to do something... do it right, even if what you are doing is wrong! (?)
All in all... it seems so much "shades of grey"... which I personally dislike.
I'ts a little "immature" - but I prefer hard lines and clear marks of distinction. I like to categorise and breakdown everything in to measurables facets... as I find "shades" and "blurred lines" can cause additional problems.
So, with that perspective in mind...
How we behave on line is potentially important.
It is not only a means for opening doors and furthering our own image, it is a potential route for causing our own downfalls.
The maaner in which we coduct ourselves "virtually" can have input on our "reality" - for folks like us, there border is barely existent.
I view the options as being...
* Be "in suit" whenever their is a potential danger
* Listen to "mother" before saying or doing (thats for both "virtual" and "reality")
* Be yourself no matter what
* Get a false identity for "virtual" situations
Just to be somewhat hypocritical (which I am kicking myself for aeven as I type)... I think a mix of the above may be the better approach.
You should always be true to yourself... but this does not mean not tempering thoughts/words/actions before applying them, nor does it mean you cannot be yourself without having a bit of polish and refinement.
Of course... having a "persona" for online interactions would also be a benefit... and doesn't have to be "not you" (?), simply a slightly different, possibly more thoughtful and careful you.
I hate shades of grey and cannot believe I think that a mix is better
I'm so disappointed in myself... and now I'm wonderig what my mother would say about my hypocrisy!