Yes Virginia, There Was A Pagerank Update TodayTBPR PageRank
Posted 07 November 2011 - 10:00 PM
Regardless, there's been a toolbar PR update today, and yeah baby, my little ol' HTML5 template site got a boost to a PR5 today.
Laugh at me all you want. I'm happy.
Posted 08 November 2011 - 03:53 AM
Posted 08 November 2011 - 01:58 PM
To be honest, I'm not going to lose much sleep over it but it's a curious situation. I guess the 301-redirects I implemented for some older articles on the main domain to the new sub-domain were responsible for the rapid growth. I didn't get THAT many links (but I guess they could have been some humdingers).
Posted 08 November 2011 - 05:17 PM
Posted 09 November 2011 - 02:38 PM
And maybe nothing to do with links gained an lost. After the April / May PR update my TBPR dropped by 1 but then recovered on the next - I had not done any link building of note during this time. Well, I had gained a few links, maybe that was it, but not many.
Well, internal PageRank rises and falls all the time. It's based on linkage but I don't worry about it. Just thought it was curious that Google would publish so many TBPR updates in such a short time.
Posted 09 November 2011 - 03:07 PM
Typical distraction behaviour.
Just thought it was curious that Google would publish so many TBPR updates in such a short time.
Webdevs love to talk about TBPR. Especially if it goes up. Given the number of disparaging Google conversations this past while I was wondering how/when Google would work at changing tone and/or topic...
Posted 09 November 2011 - 06:12 PM
I wonder if there is a more sneaky motive for Google. Here's a thought - perhaps it helps them determine which pages are populated solely for creating link juice. For example, let's say I bought a bunch of expired domains with good PR. I write a few articles peppered with anchor texted links and then ignore the site. The odd user may land on it, but that's it. It wouldn't surprise me if Google has an algorithm to determine which of these sites like this are *possibly* link farms. (For example here are some criteria that would mark a domain as suspicious):
-recently changed ownership
-presence of anchor texted links
So now Google has a list of many many domains that are possibly suspicious. Then, on the days following the PR toolbar change, I madly go and check all of my expired domains to see what PR they are. These domains rarely get a direct visit so when they suddenly get a direct visit the day after a PR update this could add another flag.
I dunno. Maybe I'm overthinking things. But really, I can't think of why on earth Google would continue to update the thing.
Posted 09 November 2011 - 06:40 PM
Posted 09 November 2011 - 07:53 PM
"many many more users turned on the PageRank display than there are site owners. The PageRank display is actually a popular feature" - Matt Cutts.
With so many algo changes in the last year it makes sense to update the TBPR a little more. If Google is making a real effort to rank pages better based on quality then it seems logical that it will want to update the PageRank number that is publicly displays for webpages as this is used by some people to determine site / page quality. Not saying that they are right to do so, but people do, according to Mr. Cutts, in 2008 at least.
Also, one question from me - when SEO's say that TBPR is meaningless and does not affect search traffic, do you mean that a change today does not affect traffic, or the entire system is mostly meaningless? Because as the TBPR is always a few months behind the "real" PageRank calculation, you could argue that it does indicate search volume, but the public update is always long after the changes take place. Does that make sense, or have I been eating too much cheese again?
An amusing reply from an even older discussion about PageRank:
Matt Cutts October 3, 2006 at 9:08 am
Oy, enough PageRank questions! My advice is not to obsess about PageRank too much; it is one of more than 100 different factors in how we score documents.
Posted 09 November 2011 - 08:22 PM
Posted 09 November 2011 - 08:23 PM
do you mean that a change today does not affect traffic, or the entire system is mostly meaningless?
Both, actually. There's not a lot of correlation between PageRank and traffic, really. I mean, sure a Pr8 or 9 probably gets a lot of traffic, but it's not really BECAUSE of the PR 8 or 9. Going from a 4 to a 5 isn't going to cause a change in traffic. With PR being only one of many ranking factors, it just doesn't have that much sway. It does influence indexing/crawl depth, as Ammon mentioned above, though. So, even if toolbar PR wasn't out of date, which it is, it still wouldn't have as big an influence over traffic as it did in the golden olden days. So, when people say TBPR (the PR we see on the toolbar) is meaningless, they are probably referring to the fact that it's only a snapshot of what the PR was at some point in the past, and that what the real PR is right now could be higher or lower. When people say PR is meaningless period (real or toolbar), then they are likely referring to the fact that it is only one of many ranking factors and doesn't affect traffic as much as it used to.
We are missing the little smiley that rolls on the floor laughing, so...
"She has problems with her Virginia and her Arizona".
Posted 10 November 2011 - 03:26 PM
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