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#1 iamlost

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 01:25 PM

If you haven't noticed Google is continuing the process of answering on the search results page such that those in search of 'facts' are not referred to where the information originated.

Long standing examples:
* Seattle weather:
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* Microsoft stock:
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Yes, Google is showing several sites immediately below the information provided; thus an illusion of fairness persists. But for the person who simply wants a quick snapshot answer those sites will not be visited. And slowly search engine becomes answer engine.

Introducing the Knowledge Graph: things, not strings by Amit Singhal, SVP, Engineering, Google, 16-May-2012.

This announcement has been expected for months, however seeing the concept in production and reading that it is but a first step is quite fascinating. What it means is that increasingly no simple fact (remember that facts are not subject to copyright) search may ever leave Google. Let me ask you: what percentage of search traffic to your site(s) use a 'fact' term, i.e. an entity (Taj Mahal) or noun plus qualifier (Seattle weather).

Granted, such fact searchers may have lousy typical conversion value, however, if you never even get the opportunity to impress them with a simple answer and go... That Google is dishing up (someone's) scraped information is simply the scum of the jest.

What this will increasingly (as Google expands to include your niche(s)) mean to informational site webdevs is that facts, no matter how complex, are facing imminent commoditisation. As with DVD players: initially several $1000, then slowly fewer hundreds, now well under a $100 - even less than a DVD to play in it; and most critical - there is little difference one from another in quality, in brand.

So, what is an information site webdev to do? Take lessons from my initial examples. What transforms facts into value added, exceptional quality, brand-able information?
* weather:
---forecasts, especially for specific needs subsets, i.e. pilots, mariners, commodity traders.
---historical records, trends, especially for specific contexts, i.e. climate change; details of discovery, i.e. tree rings, ice cores, contemporary writings.
---etc.

* stocks:
---real time 'ticker' application.
---breaking news - with explanation, meaning, possible consequences.
---backstories from/with historical records.
---comparisons with competitors.
---etc.

In other words, one will increasingly need to go beyond mere fact recitation. And in the fight for search traffic the longtail, the 'things' qualifiers will become more important than the 'things' themselves, not because the 'things' aren't search queries but because Google will be retaining more and more 'things' searches for themselves.

Google’s Knowledge Graph isn’t just rooted in public sources such as Freebase, Wikipedia and the CIA World Factbook. It’s also augmented at a much larger scale—because we’re focused on comprehensive breadth and depth. It currently contains more than 500 million objects, as well as more than 3.5 billion facts about and relationships between these different objects. And it’s tuned based on what people search for, and what we find out on the web.


Know your entities-objects and know how to add user contextual value; and then consider whether or within what limitations to allow Google the Search Knowledge Engine to scrape and re-publish.

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Posted 19 May 2012 - 08:10 AM

:applause:

What a great summary of the pluses and minuses of what I believe is for users a great innovation in Google Search. I believe this is so big that Google could now quietly bury PageRank and let everyone know that. PageRank doesn't work now and it soaks up a lot of human endeavour and creates a lot of anguish.

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 08:19 AM

Further to my previous post, I really hope more people will get on the band wagon and create a popular outcry to get Google to smell the coffee and bury PageRank. I've written a blog post on that: PageRank Is Dead: Long Live The Knowledge Graph

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 11:03 AM

I wonder if google has licensed some of this content. It seems to me that weather blurbs and stock blurbs could be licensed.

I doubt that they are grabbing this stuff, using it without attribution and not paying someone for it. I'd be scared shitless to do that on one of my sites.

I have for a long time been seeing unattributed definitions at the top of the SERPs for queries such as "what are cigarettes". If I take one of those definitions and search for it in quotes it can be found on at least one popular dictionary site.... and below the definition google has links to a couple of dictionary sites - and often neither of them contain the same definition.

#5 iamlost

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 12:16 PM

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I wonder if google has licensed some of this content. It seems to me that weather blurbs and stock blurbs could be licensed.

I doubt that they are grabbing this stuff, using it without attribution and not paying someone for it. I'd be scared shitless to do that on one of my sites.

As I mentioned before: facts are not subject to copyright. Therefor weather and stocks type fact data may well be generated in house. Their stocks disclaimer implies that the data is supplied by Google Finance directly from the exchanges, however the fine print also mentions 'Google, its data or content providers...'. Perhaps an assumption may be discerned by - see also following paragraph - by which notable niche player is NOT represented...

However, I do agree that several of their services appear to be white label, i.e. [ define word ] results match with those of Oxford Dictionaries. Intreguingly, that source doesn't show either in the immediate line links, the first page organic links (never bothered to look further), or on the 'more info' linked page - whose further 'Google' definition also match OD's content. What the quid pro quo or licencing terms might be... I haven't investigated.

However, so far the Knowledge Graph examples are showing attribution; and the US 'fair use' exemption could well be argued to extend to the snippets used. That such snippets and their use is identical to that of many scrape and publish sites being pummelled as thin content... ah, it is good to be a corrupt and partial arbitrator in a game of one's own devising...

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 07:24 PM

That such snippets and their use is identical to that of many scrape and publish sites being pummelled as thin content....

How would a webmaster feel about this? Would he enjoy seeing his definition at the very top of the SERPs with an atribution link to his website? Is that an opporunity for him or a taking of his work without compensation... If no link is there but attributed then the value drops significantly in my eyes.. and if unattributed then it is not fair use in my eyes.



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