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#1 kevs

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 01:37 PM

I was reading a book that said for true SEO link benefit you want to
make sure that a sites link to you goes directly to you site, and does
not have that split second where it goes to the host site first. You
point your cursor at the link and then.... did not understand the rest.

I
point my cursor on the link but dont see where to look. Is there an add
on for this? Something that would let me know just by hovering over a
link it's a true clear link without the middleman?



#2 jonbey

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 02:20 PM

I do not know a sensible way to do it, but what I have done in the past is (get ready for more Jon madness!!!);

 

  1. Create a short URL for the link
  2. Pop the short URL into LongURL.org
  3. Look at the results.

I suppose if it does jump through several hoops before getting to your site you then need to look at the robots.txt for the directory the link passes through etc.

 

There is probably a really sensible, easier, faster option though.


Edited by jonbey, 06 March 2013 - 02:20 PM.


#3 kevs

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 02:29 PM

Too much work Jon, the book just said you put you cursor over the link and it says whether it's a true link without a redirect first.



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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:09 PM

Doesn't the book say more on it?



#5 kevs

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:29 PM

It the book was clear, I would not be posting, but simple quesiton, anyone know if something exist that shows a re-direct?



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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:48 PM

One way of finding where a link takes you is to use webbug  It's a great little program and although I don't use it often, when needed it always clarifies what is happening.



#7 kevs

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 04:14 PM

thanks B, but this is not a situation where I'm going to copy paste a url over to webbugs site. I need to see the forward path on other site with my links.



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Posted 06 March 2013 - 04:15 PM

Just put your cursor over the link and look at the dialog in the status bar at the bottom of the browser window (usually bottom left). This has been the norm sense the 90s. If you don't see it there, or you see something funny, you can push the link's URL through this tool to find redirects: http://www.wheregoes.com/



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Posted 06 March 2013 - 04:51 PM

Joe, thanks, this helps. I'm in firefox and I do see in upper left of address bar, the url appear as I hover over a link.

 

I went to my Google + page, which I "think" is doing a superfast re-direct of my links.  Does anyone know if Google does this?

 

Yet, when I hover over those links, the correct url appears (my urls)

 

So I'm still confused.

 

Can someone put a link into this thread which they know does a quick fast redirect, ie which makes it not a true link for SEO purposes?



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Posted 06 March 2013 - 05:35 PM

You may already know this - but don't forget that just because a link is direct does not mean it is a good SEO link. The whole page / website may be set to nofollow the links.

 

Using an SEO add-on like Quirk SearchStatus on Firefox allows you to highlight all nofollow links, although maybe it does not go so far as to look at the robots.txt?

 

I know this is not really what you asked, but it just came out.



#11 kevs

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 05:46 PM

JON, YES, I already check for no follows. The page is fine , no no follows.

Yeah, so I'm looking for a similar tool for the re-direct issue.

 

but again, from my last post, (we are almost there)

 

I'm in firefox and I do see in upper left of address bar, the url appear as I hover over a link.

 


I went to my Google + page, which I "think" is doing a superfast re-direct of my links.  Does anyone know if Google does this?


 


Yet, when I hover over those links, the correct url appears (my urls)


 


So I'm still confused.


 


Can someone put a link into this thread which they know does a quick
fast redirect, ie which makes it not a true link for SEO purposes?


Edited by kevs, 06 March 2013 - 05:47 PM.


#12 glyn

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 08:09 AM

Doesn't the book say more on it?

 

This book sounds amazing, all kneel to the book.

 

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#13 kevs

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:59 PM

Pity this site has degenerated into a spam forum. Any moderators here?



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Posted 07 March 2013 - 01:55 PM

You have been given 4 suggestions, not really sure what else anybody can suggest.

 

OK, a 5th suggestion, if hovering on the link to see how it looks at the bottom of the page does not work for you, is to highlight the link and view source (can view selected source in Firefox, have to look at whole page in Chrome).

 

You can also highlight the link and right click > Inspect Element (in Chrome) and see the source code. That will also show the URL in the html.

 

As for Google+, all the links I see look like normal (direct) links. Whether or not Google gives more or less (or zero) weighting to these links is a question that only Google can answer.



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Posted 07 March 2013 - 01:56 PM

I believe that what glyn was saying in his own indomitable way is that when it comes to SEO, with the exception of basic fundamentals, books are frequently out of date, incorrect, or both. Books are not alone in this regard, just that by their nature they have a built in lag time.

 

The bottom line is that no one can be certain that a particular backlink has SEO value. One can sometimes make an informed guess but that is all.

 

Further, while some redirects can be seen by hovering (to see url) many redirects are not as easily discerned. Sometimes a tool such as bwelford mentioned is helpful. And then it becomes important to see the type and number of redirect as that also have an affect - if there is link value to affect.


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#16 kevs

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 02:45 PM

Any of you have a DEFINITIVE LINK that does a quick re-direct so I can test those options thanks!



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Posted 08 March 2013 - 08:51 AM

Quickly:

 

1. A mousover can be fooled with status bar via Javascript or otherwise. This book is old, put it down and ask questoins in the forum instead.

 

So what I do:
 

View-source of page: CTRL+F for domain that is supposed to be the link. Look at surrounding HTML data for anything looking like no-follow or otherwise. I'd then goto the HEAD of the page and look to see if there was any linkjuice stopping controls in place (I've found that, for example in the Weddings Niche, many websites give what looks like a true link out, but then wipes it clean with a rule in the header - this is not something that most of the non-seo savvy advertisers know about but the websites do..of course).

 

So that's how I would test it.

 

For the most part I use this: https://addons.mozil...don/nodofollow/ and a judgement call.

 

But I can't remember the last time I had to do that - perhaps it was back in the glory days of Google and linksploiting :) - and you have to make sure you dont' get too many follow and nofollow links because it looks unnatural...... :dazed:



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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:37 PM

G, book is brand new. Did not understand the post.



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Posted 08 March 2013 - 05:48 PM

Kevs, please share the title and author of the book. I am curious now.

 

Maybe the author has a blog, is on Google+, Twitter etc? If they are writing SEO books now, they should be available on the web to answer your questions.



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Posted 08 March 2013 - 06:27 PM

Outsmarting Google, Evan Bailyn



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Posted 08 March 2013 - 06:59 PM

A blah book with a grab your attention title from someone who has been a successful webdev. There is NOTHING new in that book - there was nothing new in it when it was written let alone when it was published - and much of it is offered without substantiation as is true of many who love to tell tales of some secret Google sauce. Boiled down the book advises:
* identify best niche long tail, high value keywords.
* write good keyword-heavy copy.
* use appropriate markup tags, beginning with the title tag.
* get links from high PageRank and/or high TrustRank websites.
* use AdWords to test and compliment SEO.
D'oh.
Very very basic advice wrapped in infomercial style hyperbole.

Even worse much of the advice about how to get those links is - not only very bland link building 101 - but severely impacted by Google changes since publication. Can you say Penguin?

There is nothing so much wrong with what I remember about the book despite being 2-years (given publishing lead time likely 3-years) out of date as being very basic: SEO 101 at best. It most certainly is NOT about outsmarting Google.

 

Note: I tossed it after reading rather than placing on my shelf.
 


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Posted 08 March 2013 - 07:45 PM

Well, if he wrote something that you have a specific question on, rather than hope that we understand what he meant, you can ask him directly: https://plus.google....444455330/about



#23 kevs

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 11:45 PM

I am lost, he says just the opposite, don't write keyword heavy copy, he does not believe Google places much vaule in copy.

 

Jon, ok I did find his direct email.



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Posted 09 March 2013 - 03:44 AM

 he does not believe Google places much vaule in copy.

 

Don't forget this book was published 2 years ago, and as iamlost suggested, probably written some time before that. So that information may have been correct 3-4 years ago. Although, even then I could see the benefit of writing good copy - seems like the book really is well out of date. You are probably better off reading an up to date SEO blog / site to be honest.



- and if you chose to read a blog with comments that are answered, it is much easier to ask questions too.



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Posted 09 March 2013 - 11:33 AM

Jon, any recommendations? thanks.



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Posted 09 March 2013 - 01:31 PM

Well, lots to chose from. The best (IMO) tend to be written by professional SEO firms, so they are always sort of going to be promoting their services,

 

 

SEOMoz Beginners SEO guide: http://www.seomoz.org/learn-seo plus their blog: http://www.seomoz.org/blog

 

Search Engine Land, a starting point: http://searchenginel...w-to/how-to-seo

 

Distilled write useful posts: http://www.distilled...g/category/seo/

 

SEP do good actionable posts (many guest writers): http://www.searchenginepeople.com/blog

 

Heard this chap talk at an SEO conference earlier this year; http://www.davidnaylor.co.uk/

 

Heard good things about Aaron Wall, although never bought his book; blog is free to read though http://www.seobook.com/blog (has a community too)

 

Never read, but thought I should mention (sure it is fab!!!): http://www.internetm...injas.com/blog/

 

I have recently started looking at this, and like what I have read so far: http://www.semrush.c.../category/news/

 

So, plenty to go on.

 

Advantages: All up to date articles, plus opportunities top ask questions. Free to read.

 

Disadvantages: Information overload. Maybe some self-serving promotional articles. 

 

Suggestion; Use RSS reader or follow the Twitter accounts to keep an eye out for articles that interest you. 

 

 

Everyone here probably has their own list of favourite SEO blogs and also a list of the ones they cannot stand! 



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Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:05 PM

GREAT JON, it is overload, but I bookmarked them all. I hate being on the computer. is there a US print magazine that is good?



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Posted 09 March 2013 - 09:03 PM

Kevs you crazy guy!
 
A Methodology for Learning SEO
 
That book is as good a stating point as any.  Penguin and Panda do change things so you'll need to study up there.
 
You're doing the right thing -- read and then try to apply it.  Good work!
 
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For what you want to do with the link example, you have to have a tool that will show you how many times the link has been redirected and the http status.  200 is a normal, successful link that hasn't been redirected; 301 a permanent redirect; 302 temporary redirect; etc. Search for "http status codes" or look here -> http://support.googl...en&answer=40132
 
I use Fiddler -> http://www.fiddler2.com/fiddler2/
 
Just paste your URL in the box under the "Parsed" tab on the right side and it will show you every redirect in the left window.  That's how you can tell it's been redirected more than once.  There's no way to tell just by looking at the link you click on.  The redirect usually happens on the server, in the background, and you can't access that code.  You can tell the effect of it by monitoring the http status returned to your browser, though, and that's what Fiddler does as well as telling you where it was redirected to.  There are plenty of articles and YouTube videos on how to use Fiddler.  It's very easy, all you need to know, I told you above.
 
Blogs and Other Resources
 
Jon's blogs are good sources.  Dave Naylor and Aaron Wall are very good sources.  Aaron will be pretty hard for you to understand right now because he assumes a lot of knowledge on your part.  If you want to understand how the business side works, or more appropriately, doesn't work -- Aaron is a great resource as well as for general SEO.
 
I would also look here ->
 
Search Engine Land -> http://searchengineland.com
 
Search Engine Land Daily E-mails (this is hot, get on the e-mail lists that are important to you).  Subscribe to e-mail/RSS here -> http://searchengineland.com/columns
 
Search Engine Roundtable -> http://www.seroundtable.com/
 
Search Engine Roundtable Daily Recap (a digest of notable forum posts put together by Barry Schwartz who is part of the  team here at Cre8asite).  Subscribe to e-mail/RSS here. -> http://www.seroundta...ribe.html#recap
 
That should be enough to keep you busy.  If you want more, try Search Engine Watch, you'll find a lot of Ann Smarty's posts there.  Her posts are always very good.  She'll show you the details of how to.


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Posted 09 March 2013 - 11:56 PM

thanks Chuck!

I need to  call you soon, my blog is close to getting going.

But still no one understand my post. Maybe you can call me sometime: I cannot cut and past a link somewhere. I give on on explaining this on a thread.

 

I'm bookmarking all those, but I would love a print mag for SEO and Social Media I could read old fashioned print wise in my hand.



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Posted 10 March 2013 - 04:14 PM

thanks Chuck!

I need to  call you soon, my blog is close to getting going.

But still no one understand my post. Maybe you can call me sometime: I cannot cut and past a link somewhere. I give on on explaining this on a thread.

 

I'm bookmarking all those, but I would love a print mag for SEO and Social Media I could read old fashioned print wise in my hand.

 

LOL! Us old guys always want things on paper.  The kids won't read it if it's on paper.

 

I find the e-mails handy because they hit my mobile phone and I'll read them if they apply to what I'm doing or what I'm working on learning.  An iPad, or I use a Kindle, is even better for this. 

 

Print is no more.  There are a couple SEO magazines that I'm aware of but one is put out by a scam review site and neither are very good, really generic and not very helpful.  Kind of like a blog put up just for SEO purposes.

 

Most of the real learning goes on at the conferences which are expensive.  I too wish they would put it in a book or at least sell cd's from the conferences at a reasonalbe price.  With the C/D's I could put it on my iPod and listen to it on my daily (5 days a week, actually) bike ride that lasts for one hour.  A lot of conferences could get listened to that way.  There are lot's of books related to marketing that I listen to on audio.  I would never get coverage of all those books without the audio version.

 

I see what you're saying, sorry for not catching that. Hmmmmmm.....

 

Do you have a way to scan that page and e-mail it to me?  I'll get an answer.


Edited by chuckfinley, 11 March 2013 - 01:58 PM.


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Posted 10 March 2013 - 05:19 PM

Got the answer today, from my seo consultant: Firefox, web developer extension, information, displaly link details.

Chuck send me a normal email, Your "regular" name is slipping my older brain right now and I want to keep in touch.

Also, if you have any marketing books that my library might have on CD I'ld love to know. I'd listen in the car.

 

Is there a great social media print mag?



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Posted 11 March 2013 - 10:24 AM

There are 2 print magazines in our industry.

 

WebsiteMagazine

 

SearchMarketingStandard

 

I write for both of them, mostly SMS. 

 

The Internet Marketing Ninjas blog is another great one for SEO and I blog there on the usability side of life.



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Posted 11 March 2013 - 02:07 PM

Kim, those mags seem very busy/ general. Can I get a copy at Barnes and Noble?  Actually interested in a mag that is dedicated to just SEO and another to Social Media



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Posted 12 March 2013 - 03:35 PM

Just search for the name (based on principles, I never use the term "google something"  anymore) preferably with Yahoo! or Bing and you'll be able to sign up for an electronic version of those magazines.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 02:45 AM

I saw an example of what Kevs is talking about today. Makes more sense with an example.

 

I used the Google custom search on my site. The URL which shows in the browser is the end URL, but the search actually links to 

 

https://www.google.com/url?q=(myURLhere)&sa=U&ei=bd1bUcyrJKmK0AWl1YGgDQ&ved=0CAcQFjAA&client=internal-uds-cse&usg=AFQjCNGPp4JXdP54EpjELMsWoJcR4QU0-Q

 

What us really weird, is when I first hover on the link it shows my URL, but if I copy the URL (right mouse click) after that the browser shows the google one. Very odd. It's as if by copying the URL the browser "learns" that the first step is not the one that is being shown, first. 

 

So, a possible simple test to see if the URL is the one that is shown is to right click copy, then look again. At least, in Chrome and when looking at a Google custom search page.



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Posted 03 April 2013 - 11:54 AM

It's not a true link. Here is what it does:

Calls google using the URL, sets a cookie then returns a gzipped file which contains a script and html code.
This script sends your browser to the site in question with the referer set.

 

What happens at G is a mystery.
 

 

On second thought it is a true link SEO wise. The site is called from your browser with a referer set. G just recorded what you did for their stats.


Edited by bobbb, 03 April 2013 - 12:10 PM.




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